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[off] DreamWeaver replacement for maintaining 4D based website?
Keith Goebel
2014-09-19 23:08:47 UTC
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Hi all.
I have to upgrade my iMac sometime soon, and I need to find a replacement for DreamWeaver (the latest version is too expensive for the once or twice a year I need it).

I have been looking for a similar application, and came up with the following options.
I would appreciate pointers to other applications that might suit.
Cheers, Keith



Web Designer 10
www.xara.com
$60 (US $50)
Win only
Great looking wysiwyg, but no simultaneous code access is visible on demos


Wix
www.wix.com
Free (?) but have to use their templates.


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CoffeeCup
www.coffeecup.com
Looks good
$US 69
downloaded free trial OSX 22/8/2014

Email sent to CoffeeCup after having a play with it:

I have just downloaded Web Editor for Mac (I'm using OSX10.6.8) and am playing with it to see if it suits my purpose as a substitute for DreamWeaver.

1) Wrong images
CHAPTER 1: GETTING TO KNOW THE WEB EDITOR WORKSPACE
Show files ordered by type: Click this button to display... = wrong image linked (as are the following few images)

2) Serious software bug?
When using the Web Editor in Edit Mode, you can click an element of the webpage and the corresponding code is highlighted in the editor panes... = that is not happening for me - the code editor always highlights the top line. What am I doing wrong? I am in Edit mode.

3) CSS
I was unable to locate instructions (in the Help files) on how to select a block of text in the Preview pane and apply to it a CSS style in a linked file.

4) Bottom section is grey, with dark grey writing = extremely hard to read.

I'm hoping these issues are simply the result of my having missed something in the Help files as, without 2 and 3, I'm not sure Web Editor can do what I need it to.

Answers from CoffeeCup (paraphrased)
1) It does what we want.

2) Yes, is a bug. Will ask programmers to look at it. No time frame given for when a fix will be available.

3) Doesn't do that, and won't.

4) We like it.
(have since looked at it on another Mac = seems quite readable from there so don't know why mine is so dark - have standard settings for brightness and colour).

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KompoZer
http://kompozer.net/
free
OSX
Looks *really* good from their website, but appears to be a dead product (pre-MacIntel).


Flux
www.theescapers.com/flux/
$US 109
OSX Mavericks & Yosemite only so can't test it

SeaMonkey
tried it - no CSS selection - no free position image drag
gave up


NetBeans
Their web page says "Alternatively, you can use all the HTML5 features described below after creating Java EE applications and PHP applications."
Since my web language skills are limited to HTML with *really* basic JavaScript, I don't think NetBeans is what I'm looking for.

WebStorm
It has no wysiwyg editor (with no plans to make one).

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Jeremy French
2014-09-23 17:36:58 UTC
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Have you looked at BBEdit?

http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/
Post by Keith Goebel
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Owen Watson
2014-09-23 21:48:05 UTC
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http://bluegriffon.org/
Another NVU fork; cross-platform
Post by Jeremy French
Have you looked at BBEdit?
http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/
Post by Keith Goebel
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Keith Goebel
2014-09-25 03:36:37 UTC
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Many thanks to Wayne, Jeremy, Owen, Mitchell and Dave, for your suggestions.
Post by Jeremy French
Have you looked at BBEdit?
Yes, but that is not a WYSIWYG editor (at least, my version isn't).
Post by Jeremy French
http://bluegriffon.org/
Take a look at either Coda 2 from panic.com or RapidWeaver.
http://macaw.co/
I'll have a look at these.
I bought RapidWeaver quite some time ago only to find it couldn't do manual code editing. I'll see if that's changed.
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Jeremy French
2014-09-25 18:00:12 UTC
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Post by Keith Goebel
Yes, but that is not a WYSIWYG editor (at least, my version isn't)
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Hi Keith,

What BBEdit version do you have?

You can preview directly in BBEdit or any web browser.

• To view directly in BBEdit, choose "Markup -> Preview in BBEdit". A new window opens, rendering the page you're working on.
Editing changes render immediately in BBEdit's preview window, effectively giving you a WYSIWYG editor.

* To view in a web browser, choose "Markup -> Preview in" and select a browser.

* To view in all open web browsers, choose "Markup -> Preview in All Open Browsers"



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Mitchell Shiller
2014-09-25 22:32:07 UTC
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Keith,

RapidWeaver allows you to add custom html to any page. Agreed it does not have a true html editor ( I use other tools to check my html), but it allows rapid creation of websites. And yes, you are tied in to the environment (like 4D). I have been looking for the last two months at the huge selection of tools available for website creation. Quite overwhelming. I am currently leaning toward RapidWeaver (because I am on Apple) and Active4D. I will test the demos to make sure I can get them to work together. My skills are in 4D. I have learned basic HTML, CSS and javascript but I am really impressed at how quickly I have created a professional looking site with RapidWeaver. There is an active community and forums, some very cool plug-ins / add-ons (Foundation, Stacks). Kind of reminds me of the 4D community. With A4D I don't have to be proficient in a new language. Just looking for the easiest solution.

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4dialog
2014-09-29 07:29:41 UTC
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If i am right...the problem with RapidWeaver (and other new web tools) is
that you cant edit our old websites (clean html pages) with this tools. Then
you need 2 sets of tools for old and new websites.

If there is a tool out there, that can "import" old websites and give us new
features for this sites, i will be happy to try this tool?



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Dennis, Neil
2014-09-29 17:48:27 UTC
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Post by 4dialog
If there is a tool out there, that can "import" old websites and give
us new features for this sites, i will be happy to try this tool?
I haven't found a tool as good as DreamWeaver... I find the tool to be expensive but worth it in what I can produce with it. Other than DreamWeaver I code my pages by hand using Text Wrangler (mac) NotePad++ (windows) or Eclipse (either)

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Chuck Miller
2014-09-29 19:21:07 UTC
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If you choose microsoft product just make sure it is not build to
1. ONly work on windows (the web site not the tool)
2. Not like front page where it put special code in that could not be read or utilized by any other wysiwyg tool

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If there is a tool out there, that can "import" old websites and give
us new features for this sites, i will be happy to try this tool?
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FWIW I use the lightning component on 4d and oxygen for editing and checking
syntax. However since Lightning uses templates I have found Stylizer
http://www.skybound.ca/ <http://www.skybound.ca/> for edting css is the best thing since sliced bread
(if you hate css as much as I do).
I discover and I confirm: magnifique !


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Walt Nelson (Manila)
2014-09-26 00:36:51 UTC
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Keith,

If you were on Windows, I would recommend that you take a look at
Microsoft's product: Microsoft Expression Web 4. As you know, you can run
Windows programs on your Mac, so it's still an option.

If you don't want to geek-it-out with a text editor like BBEDIT (I don't - I
have no time), then you should get a WYSIWYG editor. I used Microsoft
FrontPage in the past, but they discontinued it and came out with Microsoft
Expression Web 4. I now use that product to manage my web sites that are not
in 4D (hosted by Earthlink running Frontpage Extensions), and to design web
pages for use with 4D.

Believe it or not, Microsoft never charged for Expression Web 4; it's still
free. I would send you a download link, but when I go to any Microsoft site
from my computers here in Manila, it automatically takes me to the
Philippines version of the site: www.microsoft.com/en-ph.

Just do a Google search from your machine for " Microsoft Expression Web 4
download" and you will be taken to the appropriate site for your country.

HTH,

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Post by Keith Goebel
Hi all.
I have to upgrade my iMac sometime soon, and I need to find a
replacement for DreamWeaver (the latest version is too expensive for
the once or twice a year I need it).
I have been looking for a similar application, and came up with the following options.
I would appreciate pointers to other applications that might suit.
Cheers, Keith
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Keith Goebel
2014-09-28 03:23:47 UTC
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Mitchell and Walt, thanks for your suggestions.

Mitchell
I don't wish to have the web pages tied into a single product, so it looks like RapidWeaver is out.

Walt
While really wanting a Mac based solution, I Googled Microsoft Expression Web 4 to find 158,000 hits - impressive!
... I now use that product to manage my web sites that are not in 4D (hosted by Earthlink running Frontpage Extensions), and to design web pages for use with 4D...
Does that mean you have to use a product named Frontpage Extensions in order to serve the pages created by Microsoft Expression Web 4?
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